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	<title>Comments on: See These Talks at Ignite Portland 4</title>
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	<description>Share Burning Ideas</description>
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		<title>By: Look, Something Shiny! &#187; 2008 &#187; November</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-13554</link>
		<dc:creator>Look, Something Shiny! &#187; 2008 &#187; November</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] talks this year were very well chosen, and I especially enjoyed the one about what Portland can learn [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Ignite Portland 5 speakers announced at Klintron&#8217;s Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignite Portland 5 speakers announced at Klintron&#8217;s Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See These Talks at Ignite Portland 4 at Ignite Portland [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wm</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3523</link>
		<dc:creator>wm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the advance tickets ran out in under 4 hours, but so many people with advance tickets didn't bother to show up, so we didn't even fill up the venue. That sucks, especially since I told someone not to come because it was sold out. It also seems weird that you have to get there an hour before the event actually begins or else you lose your place (even with a ticket). Not trying to complain -- this is a fantastic event. But there has to be a better and fairer way to deal with tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the advance tickets ran out in under 4 hours, but so many people with advance tickets didn&#8217;t bother to show up, so we didn&#8217;t even fill up the venue. That sucks, especially since I told someone not to come because it was sold out. It also seems weird that you have to get there an hour before the event actually begins or else you lose your place (even with a ticket). Not trying to complain &#8212; this is a fantastic event. But there has to be a better and fairer way to deal with tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: PDX Tonight: Ignite Portland - KGW Studio on the Square Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>PDX Tonight: Ignite Portland - KGW Studio on the Square Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Among the topics tonight: [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Silicon Florist’s links arrangement for October 20 : Oregon Startup Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>Silicon Florist’s links arrangement for October 20 : Oregon Startup Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See These Talks at Ignite Portland 4 at Ignite Portland Via the Ignite Portland blog &#8220;Man, that was TOUGH. We received over 50 talk ideas for Ignite Portland 4. The vast majority of them were really, really good. But we only have room for 13 talks on stage at the Bagdad (plus the traditional &#8216;What is Ignite?&#8217; talk). So before I announce what those 13 talks are going to be, I just want to give a HUGE “Thank You!” to everyone who submitted a talk that wasn’t chosen.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See These Talks at Ignite Portland 4 at Ignite Portland Via the Ignite Portland blog &#8220;Man, that was TOUGH. We received over 50 talk ideas for Ignite Portland 4. The vast majority of them were really, really good. But we only have room for 13 talks on stage at the Bagdad (plus the traditional &#8216;What is Ignite?&#8217; talk). So before I announce what those 13 talks are going to be, I just want to give a HUGE “Thank You!” to everyone who submitted a talk that wasn’t chosen.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bancroft</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bancroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, if it bothers you that much, don't come. Your arguments are against the spirit of Ignite - to share burning ideas. I don't understand how you can be so certain exactly what David's talk is going to contain, when he hasn't given it yet. But we (the organizers) chose his talk, and if that goes against what you expect from Ignite, maybe it's best you sit this one out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, if it bothers you that much, don&#8217;t come. Your arguments are against the spirit of Ignite - to share burning ideas. I don&#8217;t understand how you can be so certain exactly what David&#8217;s talk is going to contain, when he hasn&#8217;t given it yet. But we (the organizers) chose his talk, and if that goes against what you expect from Ignite, maybe it&#8217;s best you sit this one out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3424</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eva

My concern is that, as a secular person, I am offended by the inclusion of a talk that seems to presuppose agreement with the assertion that spirituality (and I understand the distinction between religion and spirituality) is part of everything that I do as a human being. I'm not stupid enough to think that it's going to be five minutes of overt proselytizing by a rabbi. But saying that we all need to somehow spiritualize our work is a dogma nonetheless, and one that I feel crosses the line of appropriateness for what I expect from Ignite as an audience member.</description>
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<p>My concern is that, as a secular person, I am offended by the inclusion of a talk that seems to presuppose agreement with the assertion that spirituality (and I understand the distinction between religion and spirituality) is part of everything that I do as a human being. I&#8217;m not stupid enough to think that it&#8217;s going to be five minutes of overt proselytizing by a rabbi. But saying that we all need to somehow spiritualize our work is a dogma nonetheless, and one that I feel crosses the line of appropriateness for what I expect from Ignite as an audience member.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Schweber</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3335</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva Schweber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon- 
David's  perspective is that spirituality and religion are very much not the same things.  I also believe (and full disclosure here, I am married to him) that as someone who spent 6 years in rabbinical school, David has an appropriate background to make that distinction.  While Ignite is not about bringing in professionals to present on topics that they know inside and out, I have also seen presentations where that has been the case, and 5 minutes is just not enough time to force a perspective or doctrine or belief system down anyone's throat.

I am also unclear as to why you are so concerned about an ordained clergy-person discussing spirituality.  Would you be more comfortable if a lay-person spoke on the topic of spirituality?  What if that lay-person were an active member in his/her church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other religious gathering place?  What if that active lay-person chose not to disclose his/her role in his/her religion?  I am just trying to ascertain whether you are having a visceral reaction to clergy or a visceral reaction to the connection (in your own mind) between religion and spirituality?

I also need to agree with Josh Bancroft on this one--I prefer an opportunity to spend days, weeks, even months discussing challenging and interesting topics raised during Ignite presentations, rather than have a pleasant, if unstimulating evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon-<br />
David&#8217;s  perspective is that spirituality and religion are very much not the same things.  I also believe (and full disclosure here, I am married to him) that as someone who spent 6 years in rabbinical school, David has an appropriate background to make that distinction.  While Ignite is not about bringing in professionals to present on topics that they know inside and out, I have also seen presentations where that has been the case, and 5 minutes is just not enough time to force a perspective or doctrine or belief system down anyone&#8217;s throat.</p>
<p>I am also unclear as to why you are so concerned about an ordained clergy-person discussing spirituality.  Would you be more comfortable if a lay-person spoke on the topic of spirituality?  What if that lay-person were an active member in his/her church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other religious gathering place?  What if that active lay-person chose not to disclose his/her role in his/her religion?  I am just trying to ascertain whether you are having a visceral reaction to clergy or a visceral reaction to the connection (in your own mind) between religion and spirituality?</p>
<p>I also need to agree with Josh Bancroft on this one&#8211;I prefer an opportunity to spend days, weeks, even months discussing challenging and interesting topics raised during Ignite presentations, rather than have a pleasant, if unstimulating evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Silicon Florist&#8217;s links arrangement for October 20 &#187; Silicon Florist</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3268</link>
		<dc:creator>Silicon Florist&#8217;s links arrangement for October 20 &#187; Silicon Florist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See These Talks at Ignite Portland 4 at Ignite Portland Via the Ignite Portland blog &#8220;Man, that was TOUGH. We received over 50 talk ideas for Ignite Portland 4. The vast majority of them were really, really good. But we only have room for 13 talks on stage at the Bagdad (plus the traditional &#8216;What is Ignite?&#8217; talk). So before I announce what those 13 talks are going to be, I just want to give a HUGE “Thank You!” to everyone who submitted a talk that wasn’t chosen.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See These Talks at Ignite Portland 4 at Ignite Portland Via the Ignite Portland blog &#8220;Man, that was TOUGH. We received over 50 talk ideas for Ignite Portland 4. The vast majority of them were really, really good. But we only have room for 13 talks on stage at the Bagdad (plus the traditional &#8216;What is Ignite?&#8217; talk). So before I announce what those 13 talks are going to be, I just want to give a HUGE “Thank You!” to everyone who submitted a talk that wasn’t chosen.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PDXsays</title>
		<link>http://www.igniteportland.com/2008/10/see-these-talks-at-ignite-portland-4/comment-page-1/#comment-3263</link>
		<dc:creator>PDXsays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon... I am not exactly in the mix on the word or structure of spirituality either... much prefer sound reasoning. However, in the "spirit" of Freedom of Speech, and because Rabbi David would be the first to put himself between those who would ram their views into any one's orifices, including words in your mouth (READ: impinge on that freedom), I gotta say I'm good with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon&#8230; I am not exactly in the mix on the word or structure of spirituality either&#8230; much prefer sound reasoning. However, in the &#8220;spirit&#8221; of Freedom of Speech, and because Rabbi David would be the first to put himself between those who would ram their views into any one&#8217;s orifices, including words in your mouth (READ: impinge on that freedom), I gotta say I&#8217;m good with it.</p>
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